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Posted 17/04/2009 03:40:36
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I have a seemingly strange situation. We are a U10 boys team and we have fairly good success. During game days we play hard, fair and as a team. During practice the boys turn into animals. They are over-competitive almost to a point where they want to hurt each other. I have had kids in tears because they didn't win the end of session scrimmage ?!?!  Any ideas how we manage this?  My coaching style does not include 'punishing' them with sprints.  I have tried to discuss with them the importance of learning during practice, etc, etc.....I need some advice....pleeeeaaassseeeee
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Posted 17/04/2009 15:19:38
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This is a difficult one as their competetivness in training could be a factor to them being relatively successful during "proper" games.

It certainly isnt a benefit to anyone if they are going to be too physical with each other as obviously injuries and even players falling out can occur. I would tackle this by doing less physical elements to your training for instance leave any matches between the players to maybe the last five minutes of training and for few weeks if possible work with a ball for each player on dribbling, control etc or in pairs for heading etc. If teamwork based drills can be introduced it could make your sessions a lot easier to handle, although there is a thin line....

There is a lot of contradictory nonsense at the moment on one hand schools are rearranging their sporting cirriculum so "sports day" isnt competetive so there are no winners or losers and in younger age groups in kids football results dont matter so again its all about pure enjoyment, BUT.....then people moan the national game (in England) isnt competetive enough internationally and there arent enough good young hungry players coming through, sorry but in my eyes you cant have it both ways, in the big scheme of things i believe competetivness should be encoureged if its done in the correct and sporting way, if sport becomes just for enjoyment and not about winning or achieving then we will have a very boring, passionless game and the reaosn why we all love it so much will be lost.

Back to the subject of your players though even simple routines like dribbling around cones where there is no physical contact but the players are still learning and improving their technique and not hurting each other could be the way forward until they do start to heed your words about training is all about learning then more competetive games in training can be re - introduced.

Slightly changing the subject but also relevant though is a lot of the most physical and successful players in the world have that competetive edge and would always have had it, you take that edge away you lose half the player regardless of technique so i wonder how many Roy Keanes, Patrick Viera's etc etc this "non competetive" sporting world our youngsters are growing up in will produce?!?!? 

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Posted 21/05/2009 17:32:27
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I think that competitiveness is largely genetic. I don't believe that the 'edge' can be lost or gained at an early age. It may be dormant or active, but it is there from the start.

When we had our first child I was mistakenly thinking he would be a clean slate to write upon. Did we get a shock! The little blighter had 99% of his character already imprinted.

As for the competitive practices - try tiring the little devils out first with lots of activities and keep them moving. Then play the SSG at the end of the session with just 2 touch football.
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Posted 19/06/2009 15:51:05
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I disagree with the advice given. I have found that it is MUCH harder to get kids to be aggressive than it is to reign it in, especially with girls. Aggressiveness is something that is either there or it isn't. Soccer is not the time to use manners, it is a CONTACT sport. If you lose the ball, you better run the opponent off of it and win it back. For that you need confidence and aggression.

On the flip side, My practices include 1/3rd technique, 1/3rd, drills and finally 1/3rd SSgs. None of the technique portion involves contact and little of the drills do unless I'm teaching defense. The SSgs are usually "anything goes", I could care less if they foul, pull shirts, or do anything short of fighting. Keep in mind that the kids are not going out purposely headhunting, but there are quite a bit of fouls that would be called in games. You should see my U8 girls. They are brutal with each other in practices, however, they hardly foul in games. They retain their aggressiveness, which allows us to always win 50/50 balls.

Another benefit to the massive aggressiveness in practice is that it desensitizes parents. In games, most other teams go nuts when their girls/boys get knocked down (fouled). My parents are completely unfazed as they are used to seeing MUCH worse in practice. My girls just get up and keep going and my parents are calm.
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Posted 21/06/2009 05:12:21
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Sorry friend I'm at both ends of the spectrum on this. I agree soccer is a contact sport and a certain level of aggressiveness should be preached as I do with my kids.  But have said that excessive aggressiveness would not be tolerated after one of my strikers just about took one of his teamates head off after she covered the ball while playing net during an SSG. Last game my kids faced a coach that I'm well aware of preaching and beliveing in excessive behaivour. My kids were driven off the field after a deliberate broken leg (Which the league is looking into) and several cuts to the faces of others. I too am being looked into because I roared on a couple of occasions stopping the game because the young official failed to stop the game due to my kids lying screaming and crumpled on the field.

After the game that same coached praised her kids for playing so agressively.

I have talked to enough people who run pro camps in Europe where that kind of behaivour is EXPECTED but for the most of us who coach house league or local teams its a very, very fine line.

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Posted 21/06/2009 20:56:19
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Sorry friend I'm at both ends of the spectrum on this. I agree soccer is a contact sport and a certain level of aggressiveness should be preached as I do with my kids. But have said that excessive aggressiveness would not be tolerated after one of my strikers just about took one of his teamates head off after she covered the ball while playing net during an SSG. Last game my kids faced a coach thatI'm well aware of preaching and beliveing in excessive behaivour. My kids were driven off the field after a deliberate broken leg (Which the league is looking into) and several cuts to the faces of others. I too am being looked into because I roared on a couple of occasions stopping the game because the young official failed to stop the game due to my kids lyingscreaming andcrumpled on the field.

After the game that same coached praised her kids for playing so agressively.

I have talked to enough people who run pro camps in Europe where that kind of behaivour is EXPECTED but for the most of us who coach house league or local teams its a very, very fine line.


What you are describing would be completely unacceptable to me as well. That coach that condoned the broken leg foul should not be coaching.
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Posted 23/06/2009 14:51:47
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hi, the natural competitive elements in the game from young kids is always there, teacher needs to educate the value of football to the players as well, such as sportsmanship, fair, integrity, etc.. beside the development of players soccer skill, soccer teacher need to develop players character, personality and social skill as well.

I've seem alot of team's coaches focus on team play, result and neglect the development of correct attitude and behavior in the game.

this need to take a very long process to achieve. it's hard to explain here. one of the solution is setting up team's rules on and off the field. young kid actually like rules. do not let those poor behavior players cross the behavior boundary line. young kids always try to test where is the maximal behavior boundary line is. with team rules, they know they need to follow and also show self control. example, time out for poor behavior. about few mintues. also alot of soccer book you can read.

some of your player behavior in training is consider bully. if you let bully behavior continue. this will affect team progress, and also affect other players.

Phuabh

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Posted 23/06/2009 17:21:34
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hi, the natural competitive elements in the game from young kidsis always there,teacher needs to educate the value of football to the players as well, such as sportsmanship, fair, integrity, etc..beside the development ofplayers soccer skill, soccer teacher need to develop players character, personality and social skill as well.

I've seem alot of team's coaches focus on team play, result and neglect the development of correct attitude and behavior in the game.

this need to take a very long process to achieve. it's hard to explain here. one of thesolution is setting up team's rules on and off the field. young kid actually like rules. do not let those poor behavior players cross the behavior boundary line. young kids always try to test where is the maximal behavior boundary line is. with team rules, they knowthey need to follow and also show self control. example, time out for poor behavior. about few mintues. also alot of soccer book you can read.

some of your player behavior in training is consider bully. if you let bully behavior continue. this will affect team progress, and also affect other players.


I don't know if you were talking about my coaching or the incident that Davey was talking about. If it is about me, I can tell you that without promoting aggressiveness, your kids WILL lose all 50/50 balls. Integrity, sportsmanship, etc. is NOT mutually exclusive with promoting aggressiveness. You can and should certainly have both.
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Posted 24/06/2009 03:29:00
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I agree again with coachbobby. Agressiveness should be preached. Prior to each game I hold up a ball and walk by each of my kids and ask them idividually "Whose ball is it?" In turn they respond "my teams!" Without the hunger for the ball you may as well hand it to your opponent and guide them happily to your net politely moving the keeper aside and give them permission to take the shot. What I suspect Coachbobby is saying is that there has to be SOME pushing and shoving to get the ball. You see it in the big leagues all the time and its perfectly acceptable. What I was describing in my previous post was not. What my kids went through was way above acceptable and at practice this week I lwas missing 4 kids because of the last game for the rest of the season, because 1 coach was over the top. And have spent a good portion of my evening trying to convince parents. I went to bat and almost lost my position trying to correct the wrong, hoping to get three of the four back.

Now I'm fighting to get the other kids back under control because of the last game. Like I said its a very, very fine line. Too little agressiveness you may as well take them off the field and teach them knitting too much aggressiveness and they're sitting a game or two or the rest of the season like the two monsters and the coach that went on a spree against my kids.

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