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| I dont agree with local clubs playing players up age groups and many parents dont realise they may well be harming the chances and the child getting pick up by a professional club. I also feel that at local clubs the care and coaching quality is good enough to make sure the best is done for the player. I have been a pro clubs where players are moved up age groups and this is done at the right time and for the right reasons but most spend a short period of time with the older group and still are kept in the loop with the younger age group.
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Generally it shouldnt happen,it stops disagreements in clubs from happening before theyve even started,it means its just a no go.
Lads will want to play as much football as possible, but its looking after them to stop them burning out and also keeps the team together and good team spirit,for example i coach u14s and i have lads that are potentially good enough to play u16s and youths but they need to learn the whole game, instead of jumping thru there building blocks,this way even if they are still playing at 19/20 they will be more rounded players
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I feel that coaches should decide on what is best for player development if the group/player is talented. What is best in conjunction with local competition for competitive exposure. If the competition is not available within the local age group, a coach must work with local leagues and coaches to set up friendlies or matches that push the level of the team in training. Coaches should also look for more competitive travel tournaments that are near closer to their level IN their own age group. I agree with keeping the level challenging, within a range of physical safety for the players.
I have also found that its good to set up friendlies with younger boys teams vs. older girls teams. For example a u13 boys team vs a U15 girls team works nicely to improve the both teams equally. The Bigger girls challenge the boys physical play, and the boys challenge the girls athleticism. These types of "playing up" add to the overall progression and development of the talented players.
I also agree with holding teams in a bracket of a lower age group. Some developmental teams/players need to gain dominance and confidence by playing younger yet competitive teams. Sometimes an age group is too competitive and stifles the development of potential late bloomers. Each experience is important and adds to the local level eventually. Perhaps some of them turn out to be Referees in your area. Your influence and emphasis on giving the right competition for each skilled level is important to the general development in the area, thus producing better players overall.
Playing up is bad if it is used as a steroid for player development thinking it will make them better. Placing an average player on an older team can create confidence issues, fear, or general decline to frustration.
U10- U11, U11 - U12, U12-U14, U13-U15, U14-U15, U15-U16, U16-U18 These are some recommended playing up age groupings within the safe competitive and physically developed teams that are gender based.
These are recommended grouping for cross gender matching. U10b-U11/U12g, U11b-U12/U13g, U12b-U13/14/15g, U13b-U14/15g, U14b- U15/16g, U15b-u17/18g
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| as i have said on another post, my youngest boy daniel,has been playing at u9s in the johnstone league in scotland ,for the past 1yr and half. HE IS 7 YRS OLD AND WILL BE 8 IN OCT 09.there is also 3 other boys in the team at 8 . although these boys are now so confident and learning fast, the age difference even this season is noticeable.they need to progress at their correct age level........ i know of a school janitor who has a kid, always played at higher age level because of timing of his schooling age,the boy stood out until he reached 11 a side age (under12 s).then height,strength and stamina was needed just as much as skill. this next season our under 9s have to move up to under 10s,so another (ex player lol) parent and myself want to keep the younger boys at the "correct" age level. also waiting, are all the kids in their school at 8 and under who want so much to play football for a TEAM, i cant wait.... this site, which i discovered just yesterday ,is amazing .....keep up the gr8 work guys the future cryffs are under our noses ......and baxter ...law ....souness.....dalgleish ...lol
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Hi, i'm new here. I'm coach for two teams in my club (in norway). Girls9 and Boys13.
I've been very positive to playing one year up, but after reading the posts in this thread I guess I'm more aware that it has it's pros and cons.
My daughter (9 yrs old) played with girls 8 and 9 and boys 7 and 8 at "football school" last week. Being the "best" on the field gave her the opportunity to grow confidence. Being able to make moves, pass opponents and score goals "easily" was what she needed. Now she's also doing much of the same on the regular training (girls 9, where I'm a coach).
So playing "down" can be as good sometimes as playing up.
Karl
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Wow some good opinions. I'm new here too, currently coaching house league ages 6/7. I've been asked to coach the u8 developmental team next summer, for which I've just held my first training camp. I've seen all the players in the house league and have a good idea of who will be picked to represent the club; but I have a couple of parents asking to have a 6yr old, Billy (turning 7 next summer) to come to camp, where they expect he will make the team. He's good, and his skills are good enough to make the team; however, once you get past the best 8 players, the skill level of all the other kids evens out.
My position is that Billy will be eligible to play the following season and should be the most dominant player then. Is it prudent then to not select him this year so as not to drop an eligible 7yr old who may just be a little slower in his/her development. (note: we will be training all winter long to get everyone "up to speed"). Or is this a survival of the fittest situation where, too bad if the older kids can't keep up with Billy; and why should I be holding him back. (I personally don't think I'd be holding him back at this age, but that sentiment has been mentioned to me)
As an earlier reply stated, I think he will benefit from staying at his age, gaining confidence, and leadership skills which in my opinion lacks as these kids mature.
Complicating matters, I've invited 4 girls to camp because they too have potential. Two could make the team.(one for sure). This has always been traditionally an all boys team. So if one or two of the girls are chosen, and not Billy, have I again take away opportunities for other eligible players? (Perhaps this is question is for another forum)
Thanks in advance to anyone who can reply....
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| I think you need to look at the situation instead of trying to make a rule. If the player is head and shoulders above the ability of the team, then it might be in his/her best interest to move up and be challenged more, especially when it is also a size issue. Being the best on a younger team doesn't always help a players development or ego. Having said that a player who is moved up also has to be 'checked' ego wise, and kept humble. I think instead of making a blanket rule, one has to think about the development of the player, since isn't that we are all supposed to be doing as coaches. Yes it might hurt the younger team, or perhaps help the older team, and yes it might displace an older player less talented player, but I think without doing it the talented player is not being given the opportunity to develop to the best of his ability. Taking the best player away from the younger team, allows other to step up and develop even if the team might not be as successful, so I don't buy the excuse of hurting the team. I think the question a club should be asking is "Are we developing players or teams?"
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| No-one has mentioned the welfare of any child who is played in an age group above the child's age. Has the world gone mad? Before any football considerations, we coaches should be wary of injuries to our young charges. Kids experience growth spurts at differing intervals and during such spurts young players become more susceptible to injury as their skeletal bone growth out-grows the speed of lengthening of the soft tissue comprising muscle, ligaments etc. This situation is exacerbated by the potentially great difference in physiques between age groups. Coaches have a duty of care to youngsters under their wing. My own club will not allow players to play above their age group under any circumstances. If a parent cannot accept this ruling then they are asked to remove their child from the club. Child first - football second! GTQ
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| I would like to think as experinced coaches we would put any of your concerns into consideration before even contemplating putting a player in an older age group.
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| I believe that it all depends on the child,they can normally handle it if they play a lot with older brothers and sisters,my 6 year old is now in a pre-academy under 7s squad and can hold his own because he has an older brother. If anyone fancies an under 6 game in South Wales get in touch! Cheers Rich
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