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| This conversation came up on another forum, I was told about a pro player,I cant remember the name of this pro player, or even who he played for, but this is what he said about English training. "In England they spend hours doing shuttles, sprints all without a ball. Although it does get you fit it never compares to the training back home, we play ssg that are very intense and we bring in conditions to make us work even harder, such as you are not allowed to stop running or you give the other team a goal. The training helps you become fitter,but develops your technique as well." I completely agree with this statement. Playing football with a lot of effort is far more fun than shuttles, also you still get all the fitness you need. Pro players are a little different to us though, they have loads of time to train in gyms etc. Children will definitely become better players if they play more. When you are spending 1-2 hours doing fitness work without a ball even at U17 you are denying them the 1000s of touches that will improve them. If you need to use fitness work without a ball, then I would say you are not playing the right ssg to get the fitness levels up. I play a game of 6v6 with U16 where you have to run at 3/4 pace for 4minutes, unless you have the ball, it is played on a larger than normal area, 70x30 so to allow long runs and the chance for them to practice long balls, then they rest for 4 minutes whilst the rest of the squad play. The game is a killer, try it or try this game. 3v3 on a 30x15/20 the rest of your team are stood right around the edges of the pitch with a ball in there hands, every player is available for a wall pass only. Inside the area are gates 4 or 5 no more than a metre wide. Teams have to make as many passes through the gates as possible in an allowed time. The game works them hard because of the competitive element, but also because there is never a time that the ball is not out of play, because as soon as it leaves the pitch a ball is kicked in immediately. Coach and players around should get involved with encouraging them to work hard.
I MUST THANK MY FATHER FOR ALL THE COACHING HE DID NOT GIVE ME !
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| Hi Fellas I both agree and disagree with the "it makes a difference and it doesn't" camps, Why? becauses all kids are different and have a different excercise background. I started an U15 B team last year, we already have a well established A team. Some lads who turned p couldn't do 1 lap of the pitch, some managed easily, when I talked them it emerged that did pe at school but that was it, home to playstations.So we trained 2/3 times a week every week, even through the summer and for the first 10 mins we did warm ups and the 15 mins fitness again depending on the response from the lads( had they had pe that day for example) I have to add that where possible we trained for 90 minutes including a game. Continuing through the season but only twice a week Does in my opinion, build on NATURAL energy/pe and all. The point I really agree with is it builds the team and work ethic.It also provides a great point to start focusing on the technique part of the session
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| Red, I agree a wee bit with what you're saying about the need for fitness. I think it depends on where you are in your season. naturally early on or preseason you need to be going into it with the intentions to build up the stamina it takes to go the full match. mid way through or near the end you don't need to focus nearly as much time on it in training. plenty of sessions can incoporate fitness with a ball though to keep it fun especially if you're coaching weans
You keep doing things the same way, you'll keep getting the same results
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| I have to say i agree with the thoughts on "fitness training" with young boys. You get so little time with them all focus should be on developing there skills with the ball. And while doing this there fitness improves anyway. I as a coach actively encourage my player to take part in many other sports that will also have an impact on there fitness. Also opens there eyes to see that they may also have other talents within the sporting world. John WWW97s
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| I havent been on here for ages as i am no longer involved in youth or football in general but i thought i would log on today to see what the discussions are based on. In response to the quote regarding how we do things in this country compared to abroad what i would say in Ian Rush's book he claimed he did a lot more small sided and ball work with Liverpool than he ever did with Juventus as they focused a lot on fitness and tactics. I believe the work rate which is bred into our game (British) is no bad thing and our technique seems way too over analysed. Football is as much about hard work and team work as it is anything else and although improving technique is 100% vital and good for the game lets not over look the parts of the game which any average playing will be doing for the other 88 minutes they dont have the ball!
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| first time poster,when I first started out coaching I was determined never to turn training into an ''army boot camp'',all sessions involved 1 ball between 2 or in better times a ball each,kids would be instructed to dribble around an area doing various skills(turns,stepovers,toetaps,etc.)they would also listen for instructions to stop the ball and perform a task(jump,sit on the ball,touch it with the knee,stomach,ear,etc) then get up and quickly dribble away,everything is done twice with kids using both feet and they can quite easily do this for an hour with some breaks taken when needed,mostly for a drink as kid's enjoy running with a ball and dont realise how long they have been running.To this day any training session I take,allways involves a ball or balls for at least 3/4 of the session. However,through time I have learned that kids want and need physical excercise dependending on age.1 group of boy's who I helped coach where successful at 7-a-side for a number of years and found that the transition(U13's) from 7's to 11-a-side easy,the hardest thing to adapt to they said was the size of the pitches.That season they finished 2nd in the League to the same team who beat them in the Cup final(on pens) and who undoubtedly looked fitter aet.I put it down to bad luck,and bad penalties lol,the kids knew it was fitness and urged us to incorporate more physical training for the season ahead,so we got a deal with the local gym and the kids attended for 1 hour a week doing circuits,weights,bikes and once a month some endurance running.As a group the boy's had bonded well over the years but we found that the extra hour together in a different enviroment brought them closer as they encouraged one another to do thier best and not let the instructor ''beat them''.A couple of months into the season it was plain to see that the extra session was paying off,as the Boy's now finished games still full of energy.That season they won the League comfortably and were knocked out in the cup-semi by a bigger and stronger team ( some years later we found out they had overage players). From U13 and upwards some teams within our club still use the gym,while others prefer to mix it in with the training,IMO physical training of some sort is definetly required for kids who are playing on full size pitches and more so as they get older,as for younger ones it benefits them to gradually introduce stretches and so to warm up's but no need for laps around the pitch which does happen at some Clubs.
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swift1 (16/07/2007) There is so much more to it than just fitness, it definatly improves the work ethic of the individual and the team and is excellent for team spirit. For sure I agree on this. In a 2 hour session, I will dedicate up to 40 minutes on 'fitness' work. Not that they would know they are doing any, be imaginative and make it fun, even older players will enjoy the sort of fitness games you can find on the net. Build in an element of intensity into your practices too. I don't mean, run around the cones before you enter the drill (although sometimes that works). In a passing and support drill for example. Have players passing to eachother THROUGH small coned gates. Players will often find they have to curve a run around the gate at high speed to receive a pass. Ban players from standing still by issuing a forfeit (2 pressups, 2 star jumps etc, something very short) and they will tire very quickly. Then set them a target, 'twenty more in 30 seconds or we keep going'. It will spur them on to achieve a target, sharpen their skill, get more touches and 'earn' a rest. All at the same time. I hate laps. If you want them to run for half an hour, set up a cross country run and go with them yourself.
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At the younger age groups, you can acheive ANY level of fitness you desire while training with the ball. In the simplest terms, fitness comes down to aerobic capacity (endurance) and anaerobic capacity (mulitple short sprints). All of this can be done while developing skills. The biggest impediment to players improving their fitness is coaches who spend ahlf the practice "explaining" what to do while kids sit around. If the session is orgainzed for technical/tactical and physical components and are kept moving through the session, fitness will improve, guaranteed.
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